105 - Author on purpose. Professor by accident. With David Burkus

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I’m your host Tucker and this week is an interview with David Burkus. David is an author and Associate Professor of Management at Oral Roberts University, where he teaches courses on organizational behavior, creativity and innovation, and strategic leadership.

I first learned about David through his book The Myths of Creativity: The Truth About How Innovative Companies and People Generate Great Ideas. It’s a great book that lays out why we shouldn’t believe most of the stories we hear about how creativity works. We talk about a couple of the myths from the book and we also talk about his newest book Under New Management: How Leading Organizations Are Upending Business as Usual. But as usual we don’t focus too much on the content of the book and instead explore the reasons behind the books.

We talk about how David knew he was going to be a writer from the age of 14 but didn’t know he was going to wind up writing about business books based on psychology because as he says “I didn’t know two of those things were a thing when I was 14”.

We also talk about the challenges and rewards of his two jobs as author/speaker and university professor and how he balances all that with his young family with two preschool aged kids and a wife who is an emergency room doctor.

 So with a journey from wanting to be Jack Kerouac to accidentally becoming university business professor I’m sure you’ll enjoy today’s chat with David Burkus.


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- Links for this episode -

Malcolm Gladwell - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malcolm_Gladwell

Tipping Point - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Tipping_Point

Todd Henry - http://www.toddhenry.com/

Lorem Ipsum - http://loremipsum.net/

Scott Berkun - Myths of Innovation - http://scottberkun.com/2013/ten-myths-of-innnovation/

Angela Duckworth - http://angeladuckworth.com/

Liz Wiseman - http://thewisemangroup.com/

Rookie Smarts - https://www.amazon.com/Rookie-Smarts-Learning-Beats-Knowing/dp/006232263X